[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign

David Bradley dwbrad at gmail.com
Wed Nov 26 12:24:56 EST 2008


Brad, I think you missed the point.  I was simply saying that a
significant majority of +$250K voters voted for Obama.  That's a fact.
 I can't remember the number but it was a pretty healthy margin.  That
statisitc is driven by the "bulk" of people you cite.  The "with their
heads" part was of course my own editorial comment.   Have you ever
made an editorial comment on this list?

The "far left" is doing some rumbling from the fringes - that's ok
with me.  The "change" thing was vs. the last 8 years as I heard it -
I've got no problem pulling in a team that has a mixture of
experienced people from a successful administration (personal
failiures of the leader notwithstanding) and some newcomers and a
range of liberal-to-moderate thinking.  Seems to me he's reflecting
the wishes of the voters that put him in office pretty well.  His
actions to date appear to me to be well thought through and decisive,
balanced, and smart.

Dave



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave,
>
> "That group on average voted with their heads".
>
> Now you're starting to blow smoke up your own ass. What is the
> "average" for the $250K+ crowd?  Every income group is part of a
> pyramid.  No one looks down the pyramid, always up.  The $250K+ group
> you speak of are composed of some "super-rich" but the bulk of the
> $250K+ are small businessmen and professionals and some who inherited
> wealth.  The super-rich and inherited wealth types are reliably
> liberal.  The bulk of those who earned their income (most highly
> successful small businessmen) are not.
>
> It doesn't matter who voted for whom or for what reason.  Obama was/is
> a blank slate and no one is quite sure what they just got. The far
> left is pretty sure they just got hosed.  Conservatives are starting
> to think this guy is more worried about 2010 and 2012 and like most
> incoming POTUS's, is reluctant to vary too far too fast from the
> previous administration.
>
> The Hopey, Changy thing is dying pretty quickly based on cabinet
> appointments. As in all things, your mileage may vary.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Brad, a couple of things to consider...   first, if there are 38% of
>> people who don't pay taxes and about 39% of people who are eligible to
>> vote and don't, don't you think there is a huge overlap of those two
>> groups?  Obama didn't just need 13% more to win.  He won because he
>> carried the moderate middle.
>>
>> Second, people vote their pocketbook?  Obama pulled a stronger
>> majority out of the +$250K income group than he did out of middle
>> income groups.  That group on average voted with their heads.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Rummy,
>>>
>>> In the final analysis, people vote their pocket book. The financial
>>> meltdown doomed McCain. When you have 38% of the voting population who
>>> don't pay federal income taxes, you only need 13% more to win.  That's
>>> a tough hurdle to overcome.  The Rust Belt will still be blue in four
>>> years - those jobs are gone and they're not coming back.  The Peoples
>>> Republic of California and her sister states Oregon and Washington are
>>> probably a lost cause for the GOP for some time.  I would have bet
>>> good money that McCain would win enough of the Jewish vote in Florida
>>> to win there, instead, that vote went to Obama 4% higher than Kerry.
>>> Remember 1994.  Obama is moving cautiously because he has to, good for
>>> him.  But, remember 1994. A lot can happen in two years.
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:14 AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>> Brad,
>>>> It has nothing to do about liking or disliking a person. It has to do with
>>>> qualifications. In spite of her wonderful accomplishments in her very rural,
>>>> oil  supported state, she is not qualified to be president. Personally I was
>>>> undecided who to vote for when I entered the polling place. My last second
>>>> decision to vote for Obama was made because of John McCains health issues and  his
>>>> poor choice of a running mate. Had he made a better choice, he might have
>>>> been the president elect at this time.
>>>> Right now I am very comfortable with my decision.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2008 7:08:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>> I was still typing when you posted - see above.  It  may be a long
>>>> wait.  Remember, it was two decades between JFK and  Ronald Reagan.
>>>> Palin will be around in some form for a long time. If she  chooses to
>>>> run for a second term as Guv she'll win easily or a US Senate  seat in
>>>> two years.  You obviously don't like her, that's fine.  I  seriously
>>>> doubt you've done your homework on what she's accomplished in  Alaska,
>>>> including blowing-up her own party to weed out the bad guys.   We need
>>>> more people like Palin who follow-up on their talk with action  instead
>>>> of bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> Brad
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:59  AM,  <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> Brad,
>>>>> Get real.  If Sarah Palin is the best that the Republican party has to offer
>>>>> for  running this country, then they need to get ready for a long wait
>>>> before
>>>>> another Republican will enter the white house.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Rummy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 8:52:59 P.M.  Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Rummy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not going  to  happen.  Despite
>>>>> what the pundits write, McCain would  have lost by 10  points without
>>>>> Palin.  There are still a  few of us left who believe in  ourselves and
>>>>> not some some  'gubment' program as our path to happiness  and
>>>>> prosperity.   Will Palin make it to the Whitehouse?  Maybe,  maybe not.
>>>>>  Unlike "The One" where people project their hopes on a blank   slate,
>>>>> Sarah Palin has a real record of accomplishments. Get use to  is  Rummy,
>>>>> Sarah has always written her own ticket and she's not  losing  sleep
>>>>> about your bitching.  Come to think of it,  neither am  I.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008  at 7:42 PM,   <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>  Brad,
>>>>>> Nobody is worried  about Palin, we would just  appreciate it if she would
>>>> go
>>>>>> home.....and  stay  there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a  message dated  11/25/2008 7:34:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>  flybrad at yahoo.com  writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Ben,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sooner or later, people will  figure out  that Sarah Palin is  the "real
>>>>> deal".
>>>>>>  She  didn't  make fools out of Big Oil CEO's by being  stupid despite  the
>>>>>>  howls of derision against her by you and your  ilk.   When the patina  of
>>>>>> "sacredness" has worn  off The One, people will be hungry  for  someone of
>>>>>  substance.
>>>>>> Laugh your ass off while you can.   The   press and the 'leftards' wouldn't
>>>>> pay so
>>>>>> much attention  to  Palin if they  weren't worried about  her.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ben  Cittadino  <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Ben   Cittadino  <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>> Subject:    [Rhodes22-list]  POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012  Campaign
>>>>>>>  To:   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, November 25,   2008, 6:04  PM
>>>>>>> November 25, 2008, 3:11 pm NYTimes   Online
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "Southern  Exposure
>>>>>>> By Tobin  Harshaw
>>>>>>> Well, for  those of you who  thought Sarah Palin  would
>>>>>>> quietly  go North to the
>>>>>>> Future, it  appears  that instead  she's going Deep South:
>>>>>>> "Republican   vice
>>>>>>>  presidential nominee Sarah Palin will make   multiple
>>>>>>> campaign  appearances on
>>>>>>> behalf  of Sen.  Saxby Chambliss next week in  Georgia,
>>>>>>>  serving as  the
>>>>>>> political closer for the GOP  senator  who is battling to  win
>>>>>>> a second  term,"
>>>>>>> reports  CNN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  "This is Palin's first campaign appearance on  behalf  of
>>>>>>>  another Republican
>>>>>>> candidate  since  losing her bid to become the  nation's
>>>>>>> first  woman to  serve
>>>>>>> as vice president. Palin will   attend a fundraiser on  Sunday
>>>>>>> night,  then
>>>>>>> appear at multiple  campaign  stops on Monday  in an effort to
>>>>>>> rally the GOP
>>>>>>> base   to  turn out to vote for Chambliss. The incumbent
>>>>>>>  Republican  is facing  a
>>>>>>> strong challenge from  Democrat Jim Martin. A  runoff is
>>>>>>>  scheduled for  next
>>>>>>> Tuesday, after  neither candidate received the  50  percent
>>>>>>> plus one  vote
>>>>>>> needed to  win on Election Day."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug  Mataconis at  Donklephant considers the strategy:
>>>>>>> "The   biggest  challenge
>>>>>>> that both Chambliss and Martin face in the   run-off  election
>>>>>>> is getting their
>>>>>>> voters  to turn  out to the polls,  since it's unlikely that
>>>>>>>  voter turnout  will
>>>>>>> be anywhere near  the level it  reached on November 4th.  To
>>>>>>> the extent  that
>>>>>>> she's  able to motivate the  base to get out  and vote,
>>>>>>> Palin could  prove
>>>>>>>  useful  to Chambliss."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr. Steven Taylor  at   Poliblog thinks this may be more about
>>>>>>> Palin  than
>>>>>>>  Chambliss.  "First, the move is further  evidence of
>>>>>>> Palin's  likely   long-term
>>>>>>> ambitions," he writes. "Second, the move  means  that
>>>>>>>  Chambliss thinks that
>>>>>>> Palin  plays  well with the GOP base in a red  state like
>>>>>>>  Georgia …  Certainly
>>>>>>> if Chambliss wins, the trip   will be perceived as  evidence
>>>>>>> that Palin is  a
>>>>>>> serious actor  within  the GOP going forward, at  least within
>>>>>>> GOP   circles."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Palin or no Palin, Ed Morrissey at  Hot Air  is cautiously
>>>>>>>  optimistic  about
>>>>>>> the G.O.P.   chances:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Voter  enthusiasm for Martin  has  declined since the general
>>>>>>> election.   Martin
>>>>>>> got  his momentum from the massive numbers of  Obama  voters,
>>>>>>> most  of whom
>>>>>>> appear  less interested in the remaining  down-ticket  race.
>>>>>>>  Chambliss may not
>>>>>>> have that problem, since   John  McCain didn't generate an
>>>>>>> enthusiastic
>>>>>>>  response  from the  Republican base, meaning that
>>>>>>>  Chambliss' voters  will be
>>>>>>>  motivated more by  Chambliss himself. Republicans  have the
>>>>>>>   secondary
>>>>>>> motivation to deny Obama a  filibuster-proof  Senate  by
>>>>>>> ensuring Chambliss'
>>>>>>>   re-election.
>>>>>>> Either way, it  looks like it will go down  to  the wire.
>>>>>>> Republicans around
>>>>>>>  the  country who  want to keep at least one potential  check
>>>>>>> on the excesses   of
>>>>>>>  single-party government had better start  actively
>>>>>>>   supporting the Chambliss
>>>>>>>   effort."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  We can't make  this  stuff  up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Happy  Thanksgiving;
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Ben   C.
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