[Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
Brad Haslett
flybrad at gmail.com
Sun Nov 30 17:09:20 EST 2008
Bill,
Does this mean you don't want me to FedEx the Christmas gift I bought for you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSP_i9MI9NU&eurl=http://minx.cc/?post=278909&feature=player_embedded
Brad
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Bill Effros <bill at effros.com> wrote:
> Brad,
>
> Johnson got 61% of the vote in 1964. Obama got 52%. The difference
> between what Obama paid for each winning vote and what McCain paid for
> each losing vote was greater than in any other Presidential campaign in
> history--it won't happen again. There was no "landslide" turnout for Obama.
>
> Please don't smoke the same pipe as those other guys. It's not tobacco.
>
> Bill Effros
>
>
>
> Brad Haslett wrote:
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Yes, thank you for reminding me that somewhere along the way I passed
>> into "old fart" status and there wasn't even so much as a moment of
>> silence, much less a celebration. This indeed was an election about
>> "change" and that has been my point all along - what change are you
>> getting? The Obama in the Fall campaign was a very different Obama
>> from the Spring campaign. The post-election Obama is yet another
>> "change". Obama in private was different than Obama in public. The
>> candidate himself said early in the campaign that he was a blank slate
>> that people projected their hope and values on, and he proved himself
>> a political genius. He is indeed IMHO a more astute politician than
>> Bill Clinton - one of the best. It was a well run campaign and with
>> the help of a compliant press, few supporters delved too deeply into a
>> life long pattern of politically expedient "changes" and relationships
>> that were quickly tossed aside when they were no longer useful. For
>> some, that is perceived as useful pragmatism, and for others, the
>> reaction is "what the hell are you talking about?" Maybe the
>> difference is whether one is an "old fart" or not.
>>
>> I remain cautiously optimistic that the pragmatic and political genius
>> side of our new President will move rapidly to the center (where most
>> of the country is politically) and so far he appears to be doing so.
>> Bush 43 will leave office with about the same approval ratings as
>> Harry Truman, and as time passes, the 44th President will continue
>> the previous administration's policies out of necessity (particularly
>> Homeland Security policies). History will treat W kindly in the long
>> run, especially if a stable and democratic Iraq proves to be the
>> positive long-term change agent in the Middle East. I can't defend his
>> pattern of careless freespending on dubious domestic programs, but in
>> a cynical fashion, he may have limited further growth of fiscal
>> recklessness by maxing out the nation's credit card.
>>
>> As to Palin, she will remain a strong voice of many among
>> Conservatives and Libertarians. We're a beleaguered group these days
>> with a GOP that pays us lip service and a nation with a large voting
>> bloc of youth that has no experience or memory of previously tried
>> and failed policies. We've been down this road before - 1964 comes to
>> mind. As the old Clinton theme song used to say, "Don't Stop Thinking
>> About Tomorrow", or at least 2010.
>>
>> Brad
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Andrew Collins
>> <sailingvesselcarmen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>> In this small business, all 9 of us, 1 owner and 8 employees voted for O-B
>>> and very much against Mooseolini. All 9 of us considered McCain to be an
>>> intelligent and viable candidate until he made a cynical and fateful choice.
>>> STOP! Let me finish: the other 8 come from locations, and political and
>>> social milieus that could not be more different or more far-flung. Despite
>>> that, they seemed to agree that it was time for a change. These are facts on
>>> the ground. I wanted to touch on a point I menttiioned her before to you,
>>> which you gave an answer to that did not reflect where the reasoning was
>>> going:
>>>
>>> Obama was voted in by a demographic that does not really know who Reagan
>>> was, has no clear memories of the Clinton Regnum, and if they were to meet
>>> the esteemed members of 'da list', I very much fear they would consider us
>>> all 'old farts'. I don't appreciate this, but it is for me, at least,
>>> another fact on the ground, take it or leave it.
>>>
>>> What cocky step? Obama is a person who reasons, and calculates, which is
>>> more effective and vastly more dangerous than being cocky. Who could that be
>>> the antithesis of?
>>>
>>> Robert and Dave have clearly stated how we got here.
>>>
>>> As to campaign finance reform, it is indeed a Utilitarian water-shed.
>>> Welcome to the future.
>>>
>>> On another note, we (the whole family- Mom, Dad, 3 kids) spent the holiday
>>> in Washington DC and spent lots of time on civics lessons, the election and
>>> the institutions that make up our government. It was quite wonderfully
>>> inspirational - we will, as a nation, once again show ourselves and the
>>> world that we can inspire and lead 'using the power of our example, not the
>>> example of our power'.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> Someone got fooled here. This small businessman/professional didn't
>>>> like one single thing Obama had to say about what his plans were. Now
>>>> it seems his plans are to stick with what's worked in the past. I
>>>> think the cocky bounce went out of his step after the first security
>>>> briefing and his first meeting with President Bush. This election may
>>>> be a watershed moment in campaign honesty and fund raising methods.
>>>> That said, unlike the rabid opposition to W, Obama IS MY PRESIDENT and
>>>> I wish him success! There will be another day and another place for a
>>>> fight. Godspeed Barry and 'Don't Forget Your Raisins'
>>>>
>>>> Brad.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:24 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brad, I think you missed the point. I was simply saying that a
>>>>> significant majority of +$250K voters voted for Obama. That's a fact.
>>>>> I can't remember the number but it was a pretty healthy margin. That
>>>>> statisitc is driven by the "bulk" of people you cite. The "with their
>>>>> heads" part was of course my own editorial comment. Have you ever
>>>>> made an editorial comment on this list?
>>>>>
>>>>> The "far left" is doing some rumbling from the fringes - that's ok
>>>>> with me. The "change" thing was vs. the last 8 years as I heard it -
>>>>> I've got no problem pulling in a team that has a mixture of
>>>>> experienced people from a successful administration (personal
>>>>> failiures of the leader notwithstanding) and some newcomers and a
>>>>> range of liberal-to-moderate thinking. Seems to me he's reflecting
>>>>> the wishes of the voters that put him in office pretty well. His
>>>>> actions to date appear to me to be well thought through and decisive,
>>>>> balanced, and smart.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "That group on average voted with their heads".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now you're starting to blow smoke up your own ass. What is the
>>>>>> "average" for the $250K+ crowd? Every income group is part of a
>>>>>> pyramid. No one looks down the pyramid, always up. The $250K+ group
>>>>>> you speak of are composed of some "super-rich" but the bulk of the
>>>>>> $250K+ are small businessmen and professionals and some who inherited
>>>>>> wealth. The super-rich and inherited wealth types are reliably
>>>>>> liberal. The bulk of those who earned their income (most highly
>>>>>> successful small businessmen) are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't matter who voted for whom or for what reason. Obama was/is
>>>>>> a blank slate and no one is quite sure what they just got. The far
>>>>>> left is pretty sure they just got hosed. Conservatives are starting
>>>>>> to think this guy is more worried about 2010 and 2012 and like most
>>>>>> incoming POTUS's, is reluctant to vary too far too fast from the
>>>>>> previous administration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Hopey, Changy thing is dying pretty quickly based on cabinet
>>>>>> appointments. As in all things, your mileage may vary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:13 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Brad, a couple of things to consider... first, if there are 38% of
>>>>>>> people who don't pay taxes and about 39% of people who are eligible to
>>>>>>> vote and don't, don't you think there is a huge overlap of those two
>>>>>>> groups? Obama didn't just need 13% more to win. He won because he
>>>>>>> carried the moderate middle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Second, people vote their pocketbook? Obama pulled a stronger
>>>>>>> majority out of the +$250K income group than he did out of middle
>>>>>>> income groups. That group on average voted with their heads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Brad Haslett <flybrad at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the final analysis, people vote their pocket book. The financial
>>>>>>>> meltdown doomed McCain. When you have 38% of the voting population who
>>>>>>>> don't pay federal income taxes, you only need 13% more to win. That's
>>>>>>>> a tough hurdle to overcome. The Rust Belt will still be blue in four
>>>>>>>> years - those jobs are gone and they're not coming back. The Peoples
>>>>>>>> Republic of California and her sister states Oregon and Washington are
>>>>>>>> probably a lost cause for the GOP for some time. I would have bet
>>>>>>>> good money that McCain would win enough of the Jewish vote in Florida
>>>>>>>> to win there, instead, that vote went to Obama 4% higher than Kerry.
>>>>>>>> Remember 1994. Obama is moving cautiously because he has to, good for
>>>>>>>> him. But, remember 1994. A lot can happen in two years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:14 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>> It has nothing to do about liking or disliking a person. It has to do
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> with
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> qualifications. In spite of her wonderful accomplishments in her very
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> rural,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> oil supported state, she is not qualified to be president.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Personally I was
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> undecided who to vote for when I entered the polling place. My last
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> second
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> decision to vote for Obama was made because of John McCains health
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> issues and his
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> poor choice of a running mate. Had he made a better choice, he might
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> been the president elect at this time.
>>>>>>>>> Right now I am very comfortable with my decision.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/26/2008 7:08:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was still typing when you posted - see above. It may be a long
>>>>>>>>> wait. Remember, it was two decades between JFK and Ronald Reagan.
>>>>>>>>> Palin will be around in some form for a long time. If she chooses to
>>>>>>>>> run for a second term as Guv she'll win easily or a US Senate seat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> two years. You obviously don't like her, that's fine. I seriously
>>>>>>>>> doubt you've done your homework on what she's accomplished in
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Alaska,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> including blowing-up her own party to weed out the bad guys. We
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> need
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> more people like Palin who follow-up on their talk with action
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> instead
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:59 AM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>> Get real. If Sarah Palin is the best that the Republican party has
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> to offer
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> for running this country, then they need to get ready for a long
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> wait
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> before
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> another Republican will enter the white house.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 8:52:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>>> flybrad at gmail.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rummy,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to burst your bubble but that is not going to happen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Despite
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> what the pundits write, McCain would have lost by 10 points
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> without
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Palin. There are still a few of us left who believe in ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> not some some 'gubment' program as our path to happiness and
>>>>>>>>>> prosperity. Will Palin make it to the Whitehouse? Maybe, maybe
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unlike "The One" where people project their hopes on a blank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> slate,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sarah Palin has a real record of accomplishments. Get use to is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Rummy,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sarah has always written her own ticket and she's not losing sleep
>>>>>>>>>> about your bitching. Come to think of it, neither am I.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:42 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad,
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is worried about Palin, we would just appreciate it if she
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> would
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> home.....and stay there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rummy
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/25/2008 7:34:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>>>> flybrad at yahoo.com writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ben,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sooner or later, people will figure out that Sarah Palin is the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> "real
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> deal".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She didn't make fools out of Big Oil CEO's by being stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> despite the
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> howls of derision against her by you and your ilk. When the
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> patina of
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "sacredness" has worn off The One, people will be hungry for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> someone of
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> substance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Laugh your ass off while you can. The press and the 'leftards'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> pay so
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> much attention to Palin if they weren't worried about her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brad
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Ben Cittadino <bcittadino at dcs-law.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] POLITICAL-Palin Begins 2012 Campaign
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> November 25, 2008, 3:11 pm NYTimes Online
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Southern Exposure
>>>>>>>>>>>> By Tobin Harshaw
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, for those of you who thought Sarah Palin would
>>>>>>>>>>>> quietly go North to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Future, it appears that instead she's going Deep South:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Republican vice
>>>>>>>>>>>> presidential nominee Sarah Palin will make multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign appearances on
>>>>>>>>>>>> behalf of Sen. Saxby Chambliss next week in Georgia,
>>>>>>>>>>>> serving as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> political closer for the GOP senator who is battling to win
>>>>>>>>>>>> a second term,"
>>>>>>>>>>>> reports CNN.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is Palin's first campaign appearance on behalf of
>>>>>>>>>>>> another Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>> candidate since losing her bid to become the nation's
>>>>>>>>>>>> first woman to serve
>>>>>>>>>>>> as vice president. Palin will attend a fundraiser on Sunday
>>>>>>>>>>>> night, then
>>>>>>>>>>>> appear at multiple campaign stops on Monday in an effort to
>>>>>>>>>>>> rally the GOP
>>>>>>>>>>>> base to turn out to vote for Chambliss. The incumbent
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican is facing a
>>>>>>>>>>>> strong challenge from Democrat Jim Martin. A runoff is
>>>>>>>>>>>> scheduled for next
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday, after neither candidate received the 50 percent
>>>>>>>>>>>> plus one vote
>>>>>>>>>>>> needed to win on Election Day."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Mataconis at Donklephant considers the strategy:
>>>>>>>>>>>> "The biggest challenge
>>>>>>>>>>>> that both Chambliss and Martin face in the run-off election
>>>>>>>>>>>> is getting their
>>>>>>>>>>>> voters to turn out to the polls, since it's unlikely that
>>>>>>>>>>>> voter turnout will
>>>>>>>>>>>> be anywhere near the level it reached on November 4th. To
>>>>>>>>>>>> the extent that
>>>>>>>>>>>> she's able to motivate the base to get out and vote,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin could prove
>>>>>>>>>>>> useful to Chambliss."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Steven Taylor at Poliblog thinks this may be more about
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin than
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss. "First, the move is further evidence of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin's likely long-term
>>>>>>>>>>>> ambitions," he writes. "Second, the move means that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss thinks that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin plays well with the GOP base in a red state like
>>>>>>>>>>>> Georgia … Certainly
>>>>>>>>>>>> if Chambliss wins, the trip will be perceived as evidence
>>>>>>>>>>>> that Palin is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> serious actor within the GOP going forward, at least within
>>>>>>>>>>>> GOP circles."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palin or no Palin, Ed Morrissey at Hot Air is cautiously
>>>>>>>>>>>> optimistic about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the G.O.P. chances:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Voter enthusiasm for Martin has declined since the general
>>>>>>>>>>>> election. Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>> got his momentum from the massive numbers of Obama voters,
>>>>>>>>>>>> most of whom
>>>>>>>>>>>> appear less interested in the remaining down-ticket race.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss may not
>>>>>>>>>>>> have that problem, since John McCain didn't generate an
>>>>>>>>>>>> enthusiastic
>>>>>>>>>>>> response from the Republican base, meaning that
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chambliss' voters will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated more by Chambliss himself. Republicans have the
>>>>>>>>>>>> secondary
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to deny Obama a filibuster-proof Senate by
>>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring Chambliss'
>>>>>>>>>>>> re-election.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Either way, it looks like it will go down to the wire.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Republicans around
>>>>>>>>>>>> the country who want to keep at least one potential check
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the excesses of
>>>>>>>>>>>> single-party government had better start actively
>>>>>>>>>>>> supporting the Chambliss
>>>>>>>>>>>> effort."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We can't make this stuff up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy Thanksgiving;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben C.
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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