[Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content.../apology to michael

elle watermusic38 at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 3 10:34:51 EST 2009


Michael,

I just read this post & apologize for continuing something you wanted dropped.

elle

We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.

1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in Red)


--- On Fri, 1/2/09, michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> wrote:

> From: michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list content...
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 11:51 PM
> Herb he left the same reason all people leave, he was not
> enjoying his time
> here. it really that simple. Also Thank You for the
> forbearance over the
> last couple of days and if I could "one more
> favor", can we lets this drop?
> -mjm 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Herb Parsons
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:38 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list
> content...
> 
> I don't know that I would say I "enjoyed" it,
> but I have found it 
> interesting. Maybe we're both reaching the age where
> "interesting" is 
> synonymous with "enjoyable"...
> 
> Anyway. Most of the harping seems to be about causticity;
> however, Rummy 
> didn't leave over causticity, or at least that
> wasn't the camel back 
> breaking straw. It was over the "racist" posting
> of the "Magic Negro". 
> Unfortunately, racism is in the eye of the beholder, so in
> reality, he 
> left because of his views, not Bill's (who was the one
> that posted the 
> link).
> 
> I didn't find the parody racist. I've expressed my
> views on why it 
> wasn't, and did so calmly, but apparently that
> wasn't satisfactory to 
> some. Sad.
> 
> Here's what I DO find racist. Seems all of the powers
> that be in the 
> "name a new senator from Illinois" debacle have
> agreed, it should be 
> another black man.
> 
>  From Dictionary.com:
> rac·ism
> n.  
> 1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
> character or 
> ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
> 2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
> 
> (Note #2 above)
> 
> 
> brad haslett wrote:
> > Herb,
> >
> > I've rather enjoyed this family feud. They always
> happen near the
> holidays.  Never mind that all these voices who remind us
> to "love all,
> serve all" remain ignorant that many of us in real
> life have family members
> who are "red and yellow, black and white, they are
> precious in his sight",
> yet they feel compelled to preach the party line about
> harmony.
> >
> > Rummy started this latest feud.  He's the biggest
> hypocrite of all. I'd
> like to see this list survive in whatever form, but, this
> forum as the last
> refuge of free speech is under attack - if not already
> dead.  Stan has
> weighed-in, he seems to like the free speech forum his boat
> inspired.  But,
> never mind, others know better what is best for us.
> >
> > Yes indeed, the delete key is too much trouble. 
> It's so much better to
> stifle the first amendment through whatever means rather
> than defend free
> speech, especially when searching for unbiased news is so
> much trouble.
> Yeah, yeah, I know - you just want to read about one
> specific sailboat and
> sailing in general.  Stan (who is Stan?) is just some guy
> in the plastics
> business.  Nothing to see here folks!  Keep moving.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Herb Parsons
> <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
> > From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Leland a reply about list
> content...
> > To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:58 PM
> >
> > Sorry Mary, I disagree.
> >
> > No one's "time" is being taken if they
> don't read the
> > message. At least, 
> > not much. It takes very little time to hit the delete
> key.
> > The "voice" would only "permeate the
> list" when someone
> > reads what they 
> > wrote. This is NOT speaking. It's reading, and
> writing. For something on 
> > this list to be heard, someone needs to read it.
> >
> > I suspect that through the loss of Bill, you folks
> will see a lot fewer 
> > posts, and most definitely will see fewer answers of
> substance about 
> > sailing questions.
> >
> >
> > Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >   
> >> Ed,
> >> It is not just the newbies saying the tone of the 
> >> list has got to change. It is some of us who have 
> >> been around here from close to the beginning.
> >>
> >> Politics were once OK. If you had suggested we 
> >> ban politics when we switched off of Sailnet
> I'd 
> >> have said it wasn't necessary. Now it seems 
> >> politics can't be discussed with belittling
> the 
> >> beliefs of a lot of people. There has been 
> >> ugliness and disrespect from both sides the 
> >> political fence and some very nasty things said 
> >> by some list members about other list members. I 
> >> know we always said "bar" but the bar is
> in sorry 
> >> need a bit of regulation when folks are hitting 
> >> each other over the head with their political 
> >> beliefs. I don't go to a bar to have my time 
> >> taken up by some tiresome evangelist who is 
> >> constantly telling me or my friends how stupid 
> >> they are. Yes I could relegate them to the trash 
> >> bin but their voices were still permeating the 
> >> list and affecting everybody. Besides even the 
> >> most political of our posters have made real 
> >> contributions to other topics (including sailing) 
> >> I'm not in favor of banning anyone unless they
> 
> >> can't behave themselves in the bar.
> >>
> >> I disagree with you that the old-timers who have 
> >> left have left because they were no longer the 
> >> center of attention. If I had left last week or 
> >> last month it would have been because I was 
> >> thoroughly disgusted with the way people were 
> >> attacking each others ideas. I know from meeting 
> >> a lot of these folks that they are not that way 
> >> in person. I like to see the list more reflective 
> >> of that. If it takes a ban or moratorium on 
> >> political posts or a revision of the charter so 
> >> be it or some sort of moderation so be it. I 
> >> don't know what will solve the problem. I
> don't 
> >> know that the list will survive this even with 
> >> changes. I just know that if it continued the way 
> >> it was going I wouldn't be long in following
> Fred out the door.
> >>
> >> Ed, if you want a party/meeting in Edenton you 
> >> have to find someone who thinks its a great idea 
> >> to work on it. I think it's a great idea. I
> might 
> >> be able to come or even help but right now I 
> >> can't organize it. All of the get-togethers
> that 
> >> we've had have been serendipitous. It takes a 
> >> bunch of people thinking it's a great idea at
> a 
> >> time when someone has the time and energy to make 
> >> it happen. New blood is always helpful in that 
> >> regard. BTW, I don't seem to have the date - I
> 
> >> tried searching the archives but couldn't find
> it.
> >>
> >> Happy New Year!
> >>
> >> Mary Lou
> >> 1991 R22 Fretless
> >> Rock Hall, MD
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 12:20 PM 1/2/2009, you wrote:
> >>   
> >>     
> >>> Lee, Thena's history of this forum is only
> half 
> >>> complete.  The original group moved off the 
> >>> Sailnet list for several reasons to include 
> >>> extraneous subjects.  On the old list that was
> 
> >>> limited to sailing topics, it was tiring and 
> >>> redundant to see post, âEURoeTest to see if
> list is 
> >>> workingâEUR?.  One of the chief culprits of
> those 
> >>> posts is still making music. The Political
> stuff 
> >>> was instigated by a reader from North 
> >>> Carolina.  I suspect that he did so just to 
> >>> agitate the congregation.  And he still does
> it, 
> >>> just not as much. We had one member who got to
> 
> >>> using foul language so much that he was 
> >>> excommunicated.  What has appeared on the
> Rhodes 
> >>> List for the past few months happened four and
> 
> >>> eight years ago.  The original congregation
> said 
> >>> barroom not living room.  Now we have new 
> >>> congregants who bought the house next to the 
> >>> airport runway wanting the airplanes to go 
> >>> away.  I would suggest that a couple of old 
> >>> timers have left because they are no longer
> the 
> >>> center of the party.  No body was stroking
> their 
> >>> egos anymore, but rather confronting them. 
> Mary 
> >>> Lou suggested the Chesapeake Rhodies were due 
> >>> for a party.  It has been suggested in the
> past, 
> >>> but nothing ever done about meeting in 
> >>> Edenton.  In a few weeks there will be another
> 
> >>> birthday that would be appropriate for a
> winter 
> >>> wingding.  The airport is right across the 
> >>> street from General Boats. Those guys with 
> >>> airplanes could even fly in!  Mary Lou should 
> >>> have the date somewhere? My two cents worth,
> Ed 
> >>> K See if this attachment comes thru... 
> >>>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/combo%25235.exe 
> >>> combo%235.exe Or this one from 2001: 
> >>> http://www.nabble.com/file/p21254293/day_o.mp3
> 
> >>> day_o.mp3 -- View this message in context: 
> >>>
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