[Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List/update

Herb Parsons hparsons at parsonsys.com
Sat Jan 10 13:21:42 EST 2009


You work at a marina! I'm envious.

elle wrote:
> Herb,
>  
> i have been preoccupied ;^) lately...so now on my first day back at work at the marina (3.5 hrs & NOOOO customers,) I've been able to skim back thru all the posts I'd missed ...
>  
> You said the following: 
>   
>> I can't help but notice that the only 
>> ones she blows the whistle on are the guys on the right.
>>     
>  
> Sorry if that is true...I try to be an 'equal opportunity 'monitor. I really don't pay too much attention to 'left' or 'right' but only to the argument...and the tone thereof.
>  
> I could do better in the future...except a number of boats have left the harbor.....;^(
>  
> elle
>
>
> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our sails.
>
> 1992 Rhodes 22 Recyc '06 "WaterMusic" (Lady in Red)
>
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com> wrote:
>
> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:21 PM
>
> Ben,
>
> Why would that "help"? If you feel you're "dominating"
> the conversation 
> (I certainly don't feel that way), just post less. But your posts are 
> certainly not edging anyone out.
>
> Why were you "shocked" by my response to Elle? You know I'm
> bombastic, 
> so THAT shouldn't have shocked you. Elle's a big girl (figuratively, no
>
> offense Elle), she wants to play with the boys, she can expect to get a 
> little bruised every now and then. Frankly, while the "playground 
> monitor" symbol has some merit, I can't help but notice that the only 
> ones she blows the whistle on are the guys on the right. Folks love a 
> fair teacher, even a strict one; but one who has her pets is annoying, 
> one who regularly targets a particular group even more so. The 
> playground monitor didn't blow her whistle when I was called (outright) 
> a racist. She didn't calmly tell the little boy that was pouting and 
> threatening to leave that if he calls the boys names, they may call him 
> names back. I could call up other analogies, but you and she are smart 
> folks, I think you get it.
>
> YOU, I'm sure, are disappointed that Bill and Brad are so completely 
> unrepentant. What you fail to see is that I, and I'm sure they, are 
> disappointed that YOU are so unrepentant. The parody that stirred all 
> this nonsense up was NOT racist. And we, or at least I, am offended that 
> you try to make make it out so, and in the process imply that I (and 
> those that SEE the humor) are racist. My biggest disappointment is that 
> I do not have the glib tongue or debating ability to make YOU (and 
> others like you) see that the racism was displayed when the original 
> writer of the editorial in the LA times explained for the world to see 
> why whitey was supporting the "magic negro". I found the original 
> article disgusting. You did not. I don't understand why.
>
> I don't think your solution is a solution at all. There are plenty of 
> libs in the world, and the vacuum you leave behind will most undoubtedly 
> be filled with someone that makes less of an attempt to be reasonable in 
> the discussions. That will be missed. At the same time, even 
> unreasonable folks are missed. I've never seen Rummy make a reasonable 
> argument for his dislike of Bush, but his other contributions will be 
> sorely missed.
>
>
> Ben Cittadino wrote:
>   
>> Ben;
>>
>> Thanks for the statistical breakdown. I must say it hadn't occurred to
>>     
> me
>   
>> that I was the fourth or fifth most frequent poster. 
>>
>> I have also reviewed the posts since Rummy's resignation, especially
>>     
> those
>   
>> by Bill, Herb and Brad. I was, quite frankly, shocked at Herb's
>>     
> remarks to
>   
>> Elle, and dissappointed that Bill and Brad were so completely unrepentant.
>>     
> I
>   
>> believe I have a solution.
>>
>> If I leave the list it does two things; one, it solves a chunk of the
>> "domination" problem with the reduction in volume; and two, it
>>     
> leaves Bill,
>   
>> Herb and Brad with nothing to do but agree with each other, which is not
>>     
> as
>   
>> much fun as having a debate with someone you disagree with.
>>
>> So, I'm quitting altogether. There are other ways to get sailing
>>     
> advice.
>   
>> Besides, if I ever have a sailing question, Tootle would just tell me
>>     
> "check
>   
>> the archives" anyway. (joke)
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> Ben C.
>>
>>
>>
>> benonvelvetelvis wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Just for kicks, I did a "group by sender" on my inbox for
>>>       
> this list.  I
>   
>>> don't think I've deleted anything since August, and I have
>>>       
> nothing from
>   
>>> before that.  I did a quick scroll to see how many messages we all
>>>       
> send.
>   
>>> Herb was just over 900 messages.
>>> Brad was somewhere in the 700s.
>>> Elle was next (unless I missed someone) in the mid-300s.
>>> Ben C. was in the 200s.
>>> I either forgot to look for Ed, or forgot how many messages he had.
>>> Everyone else that I think of as a frequent poster was around 200 or
>>>       
> less.
>   
>>> This was a real quick exercise, because my main objective was to
>>>       
> handicap
>   
>>> upcoming college bowl games, so I'm sure there's someone I
>>>       
> missed, but I
>   
>>> think the reason we might be losing people is not because of the
>>>       
> contents
>   
>>> of
>>> the posts, it's that the conversation is being dominated.  
>>>
>>> By the way, happy holidays to everyone.  I wish you all the best for
>>>       
> 09.
>   
>>> Ben S.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Herb Parsons
>>> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 17:20
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>
>>> Elle,
>>>
>>> I notice that you, and a few others, when actually confronted,
>>>       
> don't 
>   
>>> ante up.
>>>
>>> What did I do to "throw water on the others"? I posted a
>>>       
> reasoned 
>   
>>> response to a bunch of crap about racism. They don't like it. Too
>>>       
> bad. 
>   
>>> You seem to jump in there anytime someone disagrees with this same
>>>       
> sort 
>   
>>> of nonsense.
>>>
>>> I'm opinionated. I don't doubt it.
>>> I stand by my views, except when I find their wrong for me. Then I 
>>> change them.
>>>
>>> However, I don't resort to the silly name calling until it's
>>>       
> thrown at 
>   
>>> me first
>>>
>>> And, I'm not saying for an instant that I don't "cause a
>>>       
> problem". 
>   
>>> However, in this case I don't see where I did.
>>>
>>> Bill posted the link. I posted a reasoned response. You apparently, 
>>> don't like that I did so. Too bad.
>>>
>>>
>>> elle wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Ah, Herb,
>>>> Another reasoned and thoughtful response from you. You have such a
>>>>         
> way
>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> with words that shows your nature. You make me laugh...I often have
>>>       
> that
>   
>>> reaction to .......(don't want to call you names...so fill in your
>>>       
> own,
>   
>>> folks.)
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> And you never cause a problem...it's always the other guy.
>>>>
>>>> Ya wanna mix it up?
>>>>
>>>> I taught second grade..I  can handle you...But don't care to
>>>>         
> exert the
>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> effort.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Read up to Michael's response a few replies above this one.
>>>>         
> Take it to
>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> heart...everyone.
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> elle..
>>>>
>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we can adjust our
>>>>         
> sails.
>   
>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"   (Lady in
>>>>         
> Red)
>   
>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>         
> wrote:
>   
>>>>   
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> From: Herb Parsons <hparsons at parsonsys.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da List
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>           
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>   
>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:50 PM
>>>>> Elle,
>>>>>
>>>>> You know what? Kiss off. I did nothing to "throw
>>>>> water" on this. Some 
>>>>> ass on here (and yes, it was ass-like behavior, if you
>>>>> don't like it, 
>>>>> don't play) pulled his favorite "you're the
>>>>> bad guy" routine by bringing 
>>>>> up the racism tag.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen a lot of BS on here the past few days,
>>>>> started to spout off, 
>>>>> and then thought "nah, why bother". However, if
>>>>> someone DOES choose to 
>>>>> "bother", they should expect a response.
>>>>> That's what "discussions" are 
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>>> For those of you that simply want a podium to espouse your
>>>>> views 
>>>>> unchallenged, I submit you're in the wrong playground.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hate the thought of Rummy leaving. But he's a big
>>>>> boy, I suspect he 
>>>>> knows exactly what he's doing by now. (I also suspect
>>>>> he's kinda feeling 
>>>>> a little embarrassed at over-reacting, I know I would).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> elle wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Well, SH*T.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can't a girl have some fun (& feed her heart
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> & soul)  w/out the playground erupting? 
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Everybody..back in the pool & Herb, Bill & Ed,
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> stop throwing water in everyone's faces.
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> And, please...let me have some fun (;^) before I have
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> to come back to earth...
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Love ya all...please everyone stay around....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elle
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We can't change the angle of the wind....but we
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> can adjust our sails.
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> 1992 Rhodes 22   Recyc '06  "WaterMusic"
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>   (Lady in Red)
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> --- On Mon, 12/29/08, John Lock
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> <jlock at relevantarts.com> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>   
>>>>>>       
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> From: John Lock <jlock at relevantarts.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deregulation and Da
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> List
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, "Robert
>>>>> Skinner" <Robert at SquirrelHaven.com>
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 12:54 PM
>>>>>>> At 11:31 AM 12/29/2008 -0500, Robert Skinner
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> John Lock and MJM,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As prime movers in setting up and maintaining
>>>>>>>> this list, you enjoy positions of authority
>>>>>>>> and respect.
>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>> Doubtful, but thanks for the plug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to see you go, but you should know how this
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> list
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> works by 
>>>>>>> now.  Most of the traffic is generated by a
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> relative few 
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> self-important, dick-waving, gas bags and has
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> nothing to do
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> with the 
>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 or sailing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, we could start banning people and enforcing
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> content
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> rules, but 
>>>>>>> I (for one) don't want to be in THAT hot seat.
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>  Mail
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> filters and the 
>>>>>>> delete key should be enough to manage the problem.
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>  Nobody
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> forces 
>>>>>>> anyone to read the crap and the tools for
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> bypassing it are 
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> simple.  If you choose to support a position or
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> offer an
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> opinion, you 
>>>>>>> KNOW what will happen!  It's not a surprise
>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> any more!
>>>>>     
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John Lock
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>> s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22
>>>>>>> Lake Sinclair, GA
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
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>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Herb Parsons
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