[Rhodes22-list] rum tank in laz
Hank
hnw555 at gmail.com
Thu Nov 18 18:49:09 EST 2010
Cell phone electricity is not an issue. That has been tested and proved to
not be a threat, both by mythbusters and by real scientists.
Hank
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:44 PM, BenCittadino <bencittadino at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> My only thoughts are static electricity and cell phone electricity. (
> again,
> I see, agreeing w/ MikeW ).
>
> Of course I do have the electric lift for my Y9.9, and wiring for my depth
> sounder transducer, all routed through the laz.
>
> Mike, we did what we could do and re-elected Rush Holt D-NJ(12) in my
> district. I'm actually going to enjoy watching the Teapublicans learn to do
> more than sulk in the corner and say "No".
>
> Cuomo for President 2012! First Italian-American.
>
> BenC
>
>
>
> Ben Schultz wrote:
> >
> > I've sailed with Rummy. It doesn't last long enough to store.
> >
> > On Nov 18, 2010, at 16:43, "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rummy:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where do you store your Rum?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >> Suite 300
> >> Washington, DC 20007
> >> 202.342.2711
> >> 202.342.2691 fax
> >> 202.270.1470 mobile
> >>
> >>
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >>
> >> cowieassociates.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> >> R22RumRunner at aol.com
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 2:56 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ben,
> >> As all the old timers know, this is an old, rehashed topic that Benny
> >> brought up just to get the list talking again. I certainly understand
> >> everyone's
> >> concerns, but tell me, where's the source of ignition in the lazz? I
> >> still
> >> maintain that there is plenty of ventilation, even after looking at the
> >> CC
> >> regulations.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 11/18/2010 2:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> bencittadino at gmail.com writes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Rummy and Charles and Whoever;
> >>
> >> I am very apart from Mike politically. However, let me say this as
> >> gently
> >> as
> >> I can. GET THOSE FREAKING GAS CANS OUT OF THE LAZARETTE THIS VERY
> >> MINUTE!!!!
> >> Are you suicidal? Are you just so stubborn that you are willing to die
> >> rather than be reasonable? Whether the laz is "air tight" or "water
> >> tight"
> >> means nothing. It is incredibly dangerous to store gasoline in that
> >> small
> >> enclosed space. Get it the heck out of there. You can only play
> >> "russian
> >> roulette" for so long before you get a bullet in the head.
> >>
> >> And, yes, the parents of that little girl who exploited her by letting
> >> her
> >> sail around the world belong in jail, too!
> >>
> >> your devoted colleague,
> >>
> >> BenC
> >>
> >> Ben Schultz wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Right on. Mission accomplished. When I get bored again, I'll have
> >> to
> >> go
> >>> back a decade and find another topic that used to get us fired up!
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D.
> >>> Weisner
> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:47
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] gas tank in laz
> >>>
> >>> Hey Rummy,
> >>>
> >>> Ben was bored so he threw a lit match into a tank of gas. Charles
> >> took
> >>> the
> >>> bait. Da list responds. You ... nevermind. Ben, be careful what
> >> you
> >>> wish
> >>> for.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer to live to sail another day. I have even donned a life vest
> >> in
> >>> rough seas, lately. I must be growing up or something. It is truly
> >> a
> >>> terrible thing, this getting older business.
> >>>
> >>> Sail safe and make sure that your passengers are of a like mind.
> >> Their
> >>> lives are in your hands.
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>
> >>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 11:35 AM
> >>>> Mike,
> >>>> And how long have you been a part of this list? Do you really expect
> >> me
> >>>> to
> >>>> live my other people's rules? Ain't happening. I'm smarter than the
> >> rest
> >>>> of
> >>>> the planet. Is it noon yet? Anywhere?
> >>>>
> >>>> Rummy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 11:26:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>> mweisner at ebsmed.com writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Rummy,
> >>>>
> >>>> Your mileage not withstanding, your practice constitutes an unsafe
> >>>> condition. Please review the USCG site
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/boatbuilder_s_handbook/vent_partg
> >> .asp
> >>> x
> >>>> with particular attention to the
> >>>> following portion:
> >>>> Portable Fuel Tanks
> >>>> Compartments used to store vented portable fuel tanks or containers
> >> are
> >>>> required to be equipped with natural ventilation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cockpit seat lockers in auxiliary sailboats are often used as fuel
> >> tank
> >>>> compartments for portable outboard motor fuel tanks. If this fuel
> >> tank
> >>>> vents
> >>>> into the locker, then natural ventilation of this locker is
> >> required.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since fuel vapors seek the lowest point of any compartment,
> >> gasoline
> >>>> vapors should be considered when designing and constructing a
> >>>> compartment
> >>>
> >>>> that
> >>>> will contain a fuel tank or container that vents into a
> >> compartment.
> >> Any
> >>>> openings in or near the bottom of the compartment could permit
> >> explosive
> >>>> vapors to flow into the bilge of the boat where an ignition source
> >> might
> >>>> ignite
> >>>> the vapors.
> >>>>
> >>>> The "natural ventilation" must consist of:
> >>>>
> >>>> (1) supply opening(s) or duct(s) from the atmosphere or from a
> >>>> ventilated compartment or from a compartment that is ventilated
> >>>> to the atmosphere;
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>> (2) exhaust opening(s) into another ventilated compartment or
> >> exhaust
> >>>> duct(s) to the atmosphere.
> >>>>
> >>>> Each supply opening must be located on the exterior surface of the
> >> boat:
> >>>> "Open to the atmosphere" means a compartment that has at least 15
> >> square
> >>>> inches of open area directly exposed to the atmosphere for each
> >> cubic
> >>>> foot
> >>>> of net compartment volume. The underseat space meets this
> >> requirement
> >>>> while
> >>>> the laz space has insufficient ventilation and connects with the
> >> cabin
> >>>> interior and bilge through wiring channels. These ventilation
> >>>> requirements
> >>>> also apply to batteries that emit hydrogen gas during charging
> >> (solar
> >> or
> >>>> otherwise) in confined spaces.
> >>>> For those who are interested, the site also provides links to pdfs
> >> of
> >>>> the
> >>>> Boatbuilder's Handbook for download.
> >>>>
> >>>> A simpler version entitled "Safety Standards for Backyard Boat
> >> Builders"
> >>>> which I have found very useful over the years is available at:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/education_safety/safety/boatwater/backyardb
> >> oatb
> >>>> uilders.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> Please err on the side of safety. Don't play around with lives.
> >> Many
> >>>> of
> >>>> these rules were established after an avoidable accident.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com> Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:15 AM
> >>>>> Charles,
> >>>>> Relax. I kept my fuel tank in the lazzerette for almost twenty
> >> years.
> >> I
> >>>>> moved it only after I installed the electric motor lift which
> >> places
> >> an
> >>>>> electric motor (sparks) in the lazz. The hatch cover for the lazz
> >> is
> >>>> not air
> >>>>> tight and if you look under both seats you will see large
> >> openings
> >>>> which
> >>>>> provide adequate ventilation. People on the list were worried
> >> that I
> >>>> was going to
> >>>>> blow myself up, but as you can see, I'm still intact. I used to
> >> drink
> >>>> like
> >>>>> crazy and smoked cigars and cigarettes.......all at the same time
> >> and
> >>>>> never had a problem with gas fumes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a message dated 11/18/2010 9:08:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com writes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I sail in teh suburbs of Dallas, Texas ..... I think I am the
> >> only
> >>>> Rhodie
> >>>>> in these parts so you probably won't even hear the
> >> explosion......I
> >>>> do't
> >>>>> have propane on the boat, I am guessing that would be for a
> >> stove? I
> >>>> don't
> >>>>> have one of those either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the education, I will gfive some thought to moving the
> >>>>> tank.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Charles
> >>>>> s/v Blue Feather
> >>>>> 84 R 22 ... recycled 96
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> From: mweisner at ebsmed.com
> >>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 08:53:59 -0500
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction - Now gas tank in
> >> laz
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It depends on how far away from here you sail your Rhodes ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Basically, fuel vapors that accumulate can be fairly explosive.
> >> Since
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> laz is not ventilated, it is not a great place to store
> >> gasoline. I
> >>>> have
> >>>>>> always stored a 6 gal tank under the cockpit seat without a
> >> problem
> >>>>> where at
> >>>>>> least the fumes (lighter than air) would not be trapped.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW, where do you store your propane (heavier than air)? Please
> >> do
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>
> >>>>>> store it in the cabin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where do you sail,again?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mike
> >>>>>> s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
> >>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Rhodes List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 8:42 AM
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't know about all that political stuff ..... but what's
> >> this
> >>>>> about
> >>>>>>> keeping your gas tank in tha lazerette????? That is where I
> >> have
> >>>>> always
> >>>>>>> kept mine .... is this a problem????
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Charles
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com
> >>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 06:40:39 -0600
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We are overdue for some angry -- or at least passionate
> >> rants.
> >>>>> Thoughts
> >>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>> midterm elections? Sarah Palin's book tour? Did dinosaurs
> >> really
> >>>>> exist?
> >>>>>>>> Do you prefer Bicardi to Mount Gay? Isn't anyone at least
> >> keeping
> >>>>> their
> >>>>>>>> gas
> >>>>>>>> tank in the lazerette?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Watching and waiting from BR,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ben
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>>>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Geoff
> >>>> Farrell
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:39
> >>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reintroduction
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank God... on both counts.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:28 PM, <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike.
> >>>>>>>>> Welcome back to the list. A while back we had to have a
> >>>> separation
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> sailing from politics. The political people left the list
> >> and
> >>>>> started
> >>>>>>>> their
> >>>>>>>>> own
> >>>>>>>>> social network list. The sailors and most of the drunks are
> >>>>>> still
> >>>>> here.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Rummy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/16/2010 3:07:58 P.M. Eastern
> >> Standard
> >>>>>> Time,
> >>>>>>>>> michael.4591 at gmail.com writes:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> By way of a reintroduction I am Mike Corley, a loyal
> >> Rhodes
> >>>> owner
> >>>>> since
> >>>>>>>>> 1996. I have not been active on the list in several years.
> >> It
> >> is
> >>>>>>>>> definitely a lot quieter now than it used to be. Sort of
> >> miss
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> barroom
> >>>>>>>>> mentality of the old list.
> >>>>>>>>> I have owned two Rhodes, the first was a new 96 model I
> >> bought
> >>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> Stan and then after returning from Europe Stan made me a
> >> great
> >>>> deal
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> traded it in on a slightly used and upgraded 99 Rhodes in
> >> 2000,
> >>>> but
> >>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> another story. I like to tell people that I liked the boat
> >> so
> >>>> much I
> >>>>>>>>> bought
> >>>>>>>>> it twice. I still take the boat back to GB in Edenton, NC
> >> when
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>> needs
> >>>>>>>>> work which is infrequently. Stan and GB is the most honest
> >>>> business
> >>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> ever dealt with and they still do good work!
> >>>>>>>>> I just recently retired from the Army after 30 years of
> >> service.
> >>>> I
> >>>>>>>>> retired from Fort Monroe, Va and now live in Smithfield, Va
> >> at
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> intersection of the Pagan and James Rivers. I keep my boat
> >> at
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>> Old
> >>>>>>>>> Point
> >>>>>>>>> Comfort Marina at Ft Monroe in Hampton, Va which is about
> >> 22
> >>>> miles
> >>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>> Smithfield. My children are grown now so I primarily
> >> singlehand
> >>>>> which
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> easy to do in a Rhodes. I have enjoyed sailing the
> >> Southern
> >>>>> Chesapeake
> >>>>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>>>> the last four years. Previously I have sailed my Rhodes
> >> out
> >> of
> >>>>> Middle
> >>>>>>>>> River
> >>>>>>>>> near Baltimore, Newbern, NC on the Neuse river, and
> >> Washington
> >>>> DC
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>> Potomac River. As all of you will agree, the Rhodes is a
> >> great
> >>>>> costal
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> inland pocket cruiser!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mike Corley
> >>>>>>>>> S/V Ranger
> >>>>>>>>> 99 Rhodes
> >>>>>>>>> Hampton Roads, Va
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