[Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern plate.

Arthur H. Czerwonky czerwonky at earthlink.net
Sun Sep 26 23:06:30 EDT 2010


Pat,

Better yet, maybe they can supply the plate to shape out of annodized.  I had a mast done this Spring, and they charged a minimum to cover setup costs and make a little money, which they did indeed accomplish!

Art

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>Sent: Sep 26, 2010 10:46 PM
>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern plate.
>
>Pat,
>
>If you want the plate to last, have it "clear anodized" 
>(http://www.superiormetals.us/anodized-aluminum-applications-marine.htm .) 
>If Stan can't have it done, just about any machine shop can.
>
>Anodizers close to Maple Lake, MN: http://tinyurl.com/2f6y4w5
>    Anodize Inc
>    1102 1st St NE, Buffalo, MN 55313-2528
>    (763) 682-0400
>
>Mike
>s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>Nissequogue River, NY
>
>From: "Pat & Mary Ann" Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:31 PM
>> Thanks for the suggestion Rummy.  I sail on a fresh water late in 
>> Minnesota
>> called Maple Lake.  I'll probably coat the aluminum before I install it.
>> Pat.
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 11:56 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern plate.
>>
>>
>>> If you are going to use aluminum, remember that salt water will attack it
>>> very quickly. I would give it several coats of clear lacquer or some 
>>> other
>>> coating to protect it from corrosion. The corrosion won't affect it's
>>> strength for many years, it's just a visual thing.
>>>
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 9/26/2010 12:46:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> pmadevig at gra.midco.net writes:
>>>
>>> Stan  suggested I use aluminum for the replacement of the fractured stern
>>> plate,  so that's what I'll use.  Should be ready by spring.
>>> Pat----- Original  Message ----- 
>>> From: <R22RumRunner at aol.com>
>>> To:  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:52  AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern plate.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I  recently ordered some UHMW poly ethylene from Norva Plastics. I told
>>> them
>>>> what I needed, what it was going to be used for and they cut the  piece
>>>> to
>>>> size  and shipped it to me very quickly and at a  reasonable price.
>>>>
>>>> Rummy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message  dated 9/23/2010 8:13:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>  sprocket80 at mail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Pat,
>>>>
>>>> If this is not a warranty  repair by GB and you are  going to fix it
>>>> yourself, I would recommend NorVa  Plastics in  Norfolk, Virginia.
>>>> http://www.norvaplastics.com/
>>>>
>>>>  You  can send them a sketch, the old part, or if you are really
>>>> computer
>>>> savvy, a  CAD file.  The will make the part from  the material of your
>>>> choosing
>>>> (UHMWPE?) and ship it to  you.
>>>>
>>>> Todd   T.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From: Pat &  Mary Ann  <pmadevig at gra.midco.net>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:56   pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern   plate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> Thanks for the thoughtful  message.  I'm planing  to have the problem
>>> plate
>>>> replicated  over the winter so it's ready to go  in the spring.
>>>> Pat.
>>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Michael D.  Weisner"  <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List"   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22,  2010  10:09 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fractured stern   plate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Pat,
>>>>>
>>>>> As an  engineer, the problem  appears to be caused by one (or more)
>>>>  problems
>>>>> as  follows:
>>>>>    1.   Motor weight exceeds design  specification
>>>>>   2.    Live load (motor, waves,  wind, etc.) exceeds  design
>>>> specification
>>>>>    3.      Improper structural material formulation or specification
>>>>>   4.    Damage or abuse (backed into fixed object,  collision,  etc.
>>>>>    5.    Storm  damage
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I  must assume that Stan built the  motor lift and provided the
>>>>>  engine,
>>>>> one must  assume that #1 is out.  As good as Stan is,  engineers do
>>> revise
>>>>> their designs to correct "oversights."  It is   entirely possible that
>>>>> as
>>>>> the
>>>>> 4-cycle electric start  engine  weights continue to increase, the 
>>>>> design
>>>>>  of
>>>>> the lift may need to be  redesigned (#1, #2 &  #3.)  An aluminum plate
>>>> would
>>>>> seem to  indicate  that such a process has already been started at 
>>>>> GBI.
>>>>>
>>>>>  If designed properly, you should not be  capable of damaging the lift
>>> by
>>>>> having "raised the Yamaha  too high."  IMHO, the only time that  you
>>> could
>>>>>  be
>>>>> at fault would be in cases like   #4.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it safe to sail?  Well, make sure that  your safety  chain is in 
>>>>> good
>>>>> shape
>>>>> and of the  correct length so that you  do not lose the motor should 
>>>>> the
>>>>>  plate
>>>>> fail.  You could  also have difficulty raising or  lowering the motor 
>>>>> if
>>>> the
>>>>> damage  affects the  mechanism.  Also, be careful since the cracked
>>>>  material
>>>>> can be very sharp.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Mike
>>>>> s/v  Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
>>>>> Nissequogue  River, NY
>>>>>
>>>>> From:  "Pat & Mary Ann" Tuesday,  September 21, 2010 9:07 PM
>>>>>> Hello  all,
>>>>>>  This summer I notied a progresse, increasing series of cracks  in 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stern
>>>>>> plate.  I asked Stan about it  and  he thought it would be safe to 
>>>>>> sail
>>>> til
>>>>>>  Labor Day, then pull the  plate and replace it with an aluminum
>>> replica.
>>>>>> Has anyone had a  similar problem?  I  wonder if it is because I 
>>>>>> raised
>>>> the
>>>>>>  Yamaha too  high.  Any other suggestions for repair or   replacement?
>>>>>> Pat Devig
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