[Rhodes22-list] stan vs Rummy from stan

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Tue May 12 09:37:09 EDT 2015


Stan:

My list thread included reference to 5200 for the cabin roof plate to cabin top per the mast hoist system instructions and that is exactly what I used in addition to re-securing the machine screws.  I think someone else misquoted the 4200 so the omelets must be keeping your memory in good shape.

Christopher P. Cowie    

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
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too busy plucking eggs off the production line before they roll off and break - not enough boat sales to open stores yet but noticed this thread between omelets.

Rummy is right as usual but technically because the attributed quote is in error.  If the subject matter is the plastic base at the cabin top's widows peak that the GB mast hoist hand attaches to, these are simply threaded into the cabin's thick trunk's roof - or bolted on for those allergic to instruction booklets.  should this part pop off a privately purchased old Rhodes that we are asked to repair, we whittle slivers of wood and hammer them into epoxy filled holes and use a 3/16" bit and 
re-tap the renewed hole(s) for the 1/4" machine screw(s).   What I don't 
know about all this is in Wikipedia starting on page one.  So don't pick on Rummy yet - he is still a sick man.

show me my quote about recommending 4200 (of all species) and I will show you an old man whose memory is going.

ss


>> Rick,
>> And Stan is always right? Don't you believe it.
>> Now ducking for cover.
>>
>> Rummy
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/7/2015 4:41:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>
>> Rummy,
>>
>> I've tried epoxy.  It holds the screws too tight  for tear-out, 
>> resulting in major gelcoat damage.  Stan's instructions  for the deck 
>> crane block specify 3M 4200.  And that seals just  fine.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 3:27 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email  List < 
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rick,
>>>   I'm, sorry, but I disagree. You must fill the holes with epoxy for
>> strength
>>>   and also to seal the area from water penetration. 4200  should not 
>>> be
>> used.
>>> Rummy
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message  dated 5/4/2015 11:31:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
>>>
>>> Filling  the larger  holes with epoxy would be very risky.  The next 
>>> time you
>>>   over stress the plate, the epoxy plugs plus gelcoat will tear  out.   It
>>> would be better to fill with 3M 4200.
>>>
>>>   Rick
>>>
>>> On  Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:59 AM, The Rhodes 22  Email List  < 
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks.  My  blunder is limited to the  Cabin Roof Plate, so far, 
>>>> that
>> the
>>>> hoist  crane attaches  to  and your advice to drill out the screw 
>>>> holes
>>> and
>>>>   fill with epoxy sound good.
>>>>
>>>>   Details:
>>>   >
>>>> READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!  Ok, I have had my boat   for five years and had
>>> the
>>>> mast up and down a few times  so I figured  this would be a 20 
>>>> minute exercise to lower  the mast for some mast top  maintenance.  
>>>> The mast
>>>   crane
>>>> that came with my boat has a bale on  it to connect  the line with
>>> shackles
>>>> to the bale on the  mast.   The crane currently on my boat was
>> apparently
>>>>   replaced during a visit  to the plant with a different crane that
>> does
>>> not
>>>> have a bale rather  two connection points  for the turnbuckles of 
>>>> the
>> two
>>> aft
>>>> lower   shrouds.  I have never lowered the mast with the shroud method
>>>   before
>>>> so I simply clipped one end of the line with shackles to  the  bow
>> cleat
>>> and
>>>> the other end to the crane and  then connected the crane  line to 
>>>> the
>> mast
>>>> bale.  That  is backwards from the instructions I  failed to read.  
>>>> The
>>>   mast
>>>> came down but pulled the crane base  plate out of the  cabin top 
>>>> and
>> the
>>> mast
>>>> decided to go 45 degrees to   port.  I managed to pull the mast back to
>>>> center and lower  it  then realized two more blunders.  I remembered to
>>>>   disconnect the  sliding hatch but failed to close the hatch and 
>>>> failed
>>   to
>>>> move the  slider up the mast.  My sliding hatch now  has some crunched
>>>>   fiberglass to remind me to close the  hatch next time.  The final
>> error
>>> was
>>>> not having  sufficient length in the lower forward shrouds that get
>> the
>>>>   chains.  Wrong chain position and or not having the  turnbuckle  open
>>>> enough.  The result was some very tight shrouds   that bent the top of
>> the
>>>> chain plates.  So after five years  of  boating without any major 
>>>> screw
>>> ups I
>>>> suppose  this makes me an  official Rhodie!
>>>>
>>>> Christopher  P. Cowie
>>>>
>>>> 4400  MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>>>   Suite 300
>>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>>>   202.342.2711  ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
>>>>    [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please  consider the  environment before printing this email.
>>>   >
>>>> -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>>>>    rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 
>>>> Email
>>>   List
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 10:30 AM
>>>> To: 'The  Rhodes 22  Email List'
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cabin  Roof  Plate
>>>>
>>>> Christopher,
>>>>
>>>   > I would drill out the holes  you are going to make for the 
>>> screws
>> twice
>>> as
>>>> wide and the teeth of  the screws, then  back fill the holes with
>> Epoxy.
>>>> Once that is dry,  sand it  flush with the deck and drill pilot 
>>>> holes
>> into
>>>> the epoxy  for  the new screws.
>>>>
>>>> This way there is no  direct path from the  screw to the core 
>>>> material
>> and
>>>> you  don't end up with a soft deck like  I have.  Lots of people 
>>>> try
>> to
>>>> depend on the surface sealants  between the plate and the  deck, 
>>>> but
>> the
>>> work
>>>> that happens at the   screw/plate/deck area will create an opening to
>> the
>>>> core where  water  can seep.  By drilling out a hole twice as wide 
>>>> as
>> the
>>>> screws  teeth, you gain a water proof buffer between the  screws 
>>>> and
>> the
>>>> water  absorbing core material.
>>>   >
>>>> James Nichols
>>>>
>>>>   -----Original  Message-----
>>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org   [mailto:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The  Rhodes  22 
>>>> Email
>>> List
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2015 9:12  AM
>>>> To:  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject:  [Rhodes22-list] Cabin Roof  Plate
>>>>
>>>> I managed to  rip the cabin roof plate, used to connect  the mast hoist
>>>>   crane, off my boat yesterday, don't ask how, and I need  to
>> reinstall.  I
>>>> understand that this plate can be screwed to  the  cabin top or 
>>>> thru
>>> bolted.
>>>> I prefer to try and  make the repair with the  screws.  I will use 
>>>> 3M
>> 5200
>>>>   Polyurethane Adhesive/Sealant from  the plate to the cabin top.   My
>>> question
>>>> is what I should fill  the two screw  holes with to re insert the
>> screws?
>>>   I
>>>>   assume  this should be the West System #404 High Density Filler 
>>>> that
>> can
>>> be
>>>>   injected into the striped screw holes and  then re drill two 3/16"
>> pilot
>>>> holes once it has  dried.  Does this seem like to correct  repair?
>>>>
>>>   >
>>>> -----
>>>> Christopher P.   Cowie
>>>>
>>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>>> Suite  300
>>>>   Washington, DC 20007
>>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ●  202.342.2691 fax ●  202.270.1470 mobile [
>>>>    ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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